News

Top

news

Stories

Blogs

Semen Not Compostable in San Francisco

By By Joe Eskenazi
Blogs

Cops Shut Down Kids' Lemonade Stand

By By Joe Eskenazi
Columns

@sk Jamie Varon: What are you hiding on your password-protected phone?

By By Jamie Varon
Features

Team Spirits: Spooked Giants players check out of haunted hotel

By By Joe Eskenazi
Blogs

Did Steve Jobs Know iPhone 4 Antenna was a Lemon?

By By Joe Eskenazi
Blogs

Top Five BP Oil Spill Conspiracies

By By Ashley Harrell
Columns

All the Sheik's Men

By Joe Eskenazi
Blogs

San Francisco Proposes Ban on Pet Sales

By Joe Eskenazi

Text Size: A A A

Whipped and Gagged

Is government spending obscene? Well, it paid to train S&M filmmakers.

Comments (111) By Matt Smith Wednesday, Apr 22 2009

Talk about an economic stimulus. California taxpayers have paid $46,791 so that employees of the San Francisco pornographer Kink.com might produce more perfect web-based depictions of motorized dildo impalements on www.fuckingmachines.com; do a better job displaying women as they're bound, gagged, and repeatedly electrically shocked on www.wiredpussy.com; and more effectively transmit images of, well, people doing pretty much what you'd imagine they'd be doing on www.whippedass.com.

More About

That's right: California's government has been subsidizing torture-based pornography. The subsidy has been routed through the California Employment Training Panel (ETP), an agency set up to make state businesses more competitive with foreign and out-of-state ones by paying contractors who train in-state workers. Kink.com, famous to San Franciscans as the pornographer that not long ago bought the massive former Armory building in the Mission District, received its training through the Bay Area Video Coalition, a Mission nonprofit that provides classes in video and multimedia technology.

Kink.com is "legally recognized by California," says Video Coalition executive director Ken Ikeda. "They employ 100 Bay Area residents, and they also pay into payroll taxes. They're a valued community neighbor of ours. In training their employees, we're in complete alignment with the ETP's vision of keeping employees competitive in the international marketplace."

Sadly, this story doesn't have a happy ending, at least from a porn industry perspective.

After I submitted a state public records request to find out how much money Californians had been paying to train workers of Cybernet Entertainment LLC — Kink.com's formally registered business name — I received a letter from ETP general counsel Maureen Reilly, who said the government had been unaware that Cybernet was in the business of narrowcasting videos depicting sexualized torture.

"By long-standing policy, ETP does not fund training in the adult entertainment industry," she wrote, suggesting that the Bay Area Video Coalition might have done more to make the government aware that Cybernet was in the porn business. "Since learning about Kink.com through your Public Records Act request, ETP has informed BAVC that it will no longer reimburse the cost of training the employees of Cybernet."

Kink.com chief operating officer Daniel Riedel says the company had been using state-subsidized multimedia training for three years to educate staffers in video shooting and editing, Photoshop, and other multimedia skills. "The fact we got cut off abruptly right after you requested those documents is unfortunate, especially with the economy the way it is and everything else that's been going on," he said.

Kink.com hasn't been immune to the recession; it recently laid off several staff, according to news reports. "It's going to be very much more expensive to operate in San Francisco, or in California" without the government training subsidy, Riedel said.

The stripping of Kink.com's funding raises an intriguing question: Does the state's refusal to train porn-makers violate constitutional free-speech guarantees? I'm not joking. Some serious and credible people says it's worth considering whether it's legal to deny training to porn workers merely because they film naked, shackled women with live electrodes clipped to their genitals.

The California Employment Training Panel's policy of denying education subsidies to pornographers came about a few years ago, when an employee recognized a major video porn producer among employers on its list. In response, agency officials struggled to come up with a policy that would placate conservatives and porn haters and neutralize First Amendment advocates. Officials fretted "about pirating of products and victimization of workers in media services," according to the minutes of a June 2006 panel meeting.

Riedel denies the victimization charge. "Most of our models have been around longer than the down economy," he said. "We go through an extensive interview process to make sure they're okay with this. We don't like working with models that aren't into this. If it's not consensual, it doesn't work."

San Francisco clinical psychologist Melissa Farley doesn't buy that. In 2007, she posted on her antipornography Web site, Traffick Jamming, the famous photograph of a hooded Abu Ghraib prisoner alongside a photograph she says came from Kink.com of a shackled, blindfolded woman apparently being poked with a cattle prod. "In this economy, this is something women would rather not do, but they feel they have to," she said. "This is a form of economic coercion. But people would rather not think of it that way. People think of it as a matter of rights, rather than ask the question, 'Should people have a right not to do this?'"

The state training panel ultimately sided with the antiporn position, and its 2008 strategic plan trumpeted a "moratorium" on subsidizing training in the adult entertainment industry. In the end, it announced a vague policy that categorizes the adult entertainment industry as its "lowest funding priority."

Jackie Martin, spokeswoman for major pornographer Vivid Entertainment Group, says that's unfair. "How can they prioritize which businesses they provide training to, based on the content of their expression?" she said. "What if you kill animals for a living? If it's not porn, you get the training? This definitely smells."

More pressing than the animal-rights question is the problem of whether the ETP antiporn policy violates constitutional prohibitions against government interference with freedom of speech.

Show Comments (111)

Email
to Friend

Write to
Editor

Print
Article

Comments (111)

cool electronic gadgets 07/23/2010 10:45:35 PM

cool electronic gadgets　 cool usb gadgets　cool computer gadgets　spy kids gadgets　cell phone signal jammer　Wireless Spy Gadgets　Wireless Handheld Baby Monitor　Walkie Talkie　cool computer keyboard　usb fans for laptops　water glow led faucet light　car air purifier ionizer　Humanoid Light Control Lamp　wooden alarm clock　Portable Watch MP3 Player　MP4 Digital Watch player　wireless digital picture frame　LED Digital Wrist Watch　Portable Digital E-book Reader　antique cigarette lighters　LED Light Laser Pointer　Digital Video Glasses　Vertu Ascent Replica　wrist watch mobile phone　Cool Bluetooth Bracelet
cosplay 07/22/2010 6:10:25 PM

top jewelry fashion blog life world choose handbag Tiffany Jewellery fashion life manoloblahnik sale xmas gift Ckloo jewellery dresses shoes blog jewellery ed hardy blog wedding sale
daxue0001 07/10/2010 12:20:00 AM

hello,we are sale men wholesale clothing,if you ignition unit want andwomen wholesale clothing ,you juicy couture jacket can contactWholesale Men clothing us,and monocularthe Wholesale women clothingis every zoom binoculars cheap,power stripstore on sale, and truck crane,thanks.If you want to mobile crane,you musttelescope look atbuy telescope the road sweeper,andbinocularsThese have juicy couture shoes,Juicy couture tracksuitgood quality,thanks.
ed hardy clothing 05/24/2010 12:52:16 AM

ed hardy wholesale NFL jerseys ed hardy shoes ed hardy clothing wholesale NFL jerseys cheap NFL jerseys Youth NFL jerseys
Nike basketall shoes 05/04/2010 2:23:35 AM

Shop 2010 New Style Cheap nike basketall shoes for sale!49% offf.Mens Nike Basketball Shoes Clearance Sale! Buy discount 2010 Nba Basketball Shoes, kobe bryant shoes,Lebron James shoes online,100% Quality with cheap price.Also,we supply cheap nfl jerseys,nfl jerseys sale,discount nfl jerseys wholesale and discount|authentic nfl jerseys.Still hesitating? Our mlb jerseys sale will give you a surprise.also our store hot sale NFL Football Jerseys,World Club Football Jerseys.All kinds of nfl jerseys,Nike Soccer Shoes are on sale.Fast shipping, cheap timberland boots for you,timberland boots clearance manufacturers directory - over 33200 registered importers and exporters. Timberland work Boots, timberland roll top boots ,Timberland Chukka Boots Mens ,50-70% Off, 100% timberland boots sale,Saving a lot at our Timberland Outlet Store.here is the rightplace for you!
dasde 04/20/2010 3:21:54 AM

Timberland boots http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Timberland_boots_1.htm Christian Louboutin http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Christian_Louboutin_1.htm Nike Blazers Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Blazers_Shoes_1.htm Nike Air Yeezy http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Air_Yeezy_1.htm Nike Air Force http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Air_Force_1.htm Cheap Jordan Fusion http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Cheap_Jordan_Fusion___1.htm Man Nike Air Jordan http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Man_Nike_Air_Jordan_1.htm Man Nike Air Max http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Man_Nike_Air_Max_1.htm Man Nike Shox http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Man_Nike_Shox_1.htm Women Nike Air Jordan http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Nike_Air_Jordan_1.htm Women Nike Air Max http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Nike_Air_Max_1.htm Women Nike Shox http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Nike_Shox_1.htm Nike TN Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_TN_Shoes_1.htm Dunk Sneakers http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Dunk_Sneakers_1.htm Nike Signature Series http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Signature_Series_1.htm Ed Hardy Shoes Sale http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Ed_Hardy_Shoes_Sale_1.htm Dolce Gabbana Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Dolce_Gabbana_Shoes_1.htm Cheap Mauri Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Cheap_Mauri_Shoes_1.htm Chanel Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Chanel_Shoes_1.htm Prada Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Prada_Shoes_1.htm Puma Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Puma_Shoes_1.htm Kid Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Kid_Shoes_1.htm Women Flat Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Flat_Shoes_1.htm Other Brand Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Other_Brand_Shoes_1.htm ATO Shoes Wholesale http://www.cnbrandshop.com/ATO_Shoes_Wholesale_1.htm Creative Recreation http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Creative_Recreation_1.htm Fashion boots http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Fashion_boots_1.htm Supra Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Supra_Shoes_1.htm Hogan Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Hogan_Shoes_1.htm MBT Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/MBT_Shoes_1.htm Fashion Sandal http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Fashion_Sandal_1.htm Louis Vuitton Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Louis_Vuitton_Shoes_1.htm NFL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/NFL_Jerseys_1.htm Kids NFL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Kids_NFL_Jerseys_1.htm Kids NHL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Kids_NHL_Jerseys_1.htm Women NFL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_NFL_Jerseys_1.htm MLB Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/MLB_Jerseys_1.htm Football Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Football_Jerseys_1.
ss 04/20/2010 3:21:29 AM

Timberland boots http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Timberland_boots_1.htm Christian Louboutin http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Christian_Louboutin_1.htm Nike Blazers Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Blazers_Shoes_1.htm Nike Air Yeezy http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Air_Yeezy_1.htm Nike Air Force http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Air_Force_1.htm Cheap Jordan Fusion http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Cheap_Jordan_Fusion___1.htm Man Nike Air Jordan http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Man_Nike_Air_Jordan_1.htm Man Nike Air Max http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Man_Nike_Air_Max_1.htm Man Nike Shox http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Man_Nike_Shox_1.htm Women Nike Air Jordan http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Nike_Air_Jordan_1.htm Women Nike Air Max http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Nike_Air_Max_1.htm Women Nike Shox http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Nike_Shox_1.htm Nike TN Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_TN_Shoes_1.htm Dunk Sneakers http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Dunk_Sneakers_1.htm Nike Signature Series http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Nike_Signature_Series_1.htm Ed Hardy Shoes Sale http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Ed_Hardy_Shoes_Sale_1.htm Dolce Gabbana Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Dolce_Gabbana_Shoes_1.htm Cheap Mauri Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Cheap_Mauri_Shoes_1.htm Chanel Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Chanel_Shoes_1.htm Prada Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Prada_Shoes_1.htm Puma Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Puma_Shoes_1.htm Kid Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Kid_Shoes_1.htm Women Flat Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_Flat_Shoes_1.htm Other Brand Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Other_Brand_Shoes_1.htm ATO Shoes Wholesale http://www.cnbrandshop.com/ATO_Shoes_Wholesale_1.htm Creative Recreation http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Creative_Recreation_1.htm Fashion boots http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Fashion_boots_1.htm Supra Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Supra_Shoes_1.htm Hogan Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Hogan_Shoes_1.htm MBT Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/MBT_Shoes_1.htm Fashion Sandal http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Fashion_Sandal_1.htm Louis Vuitton Shoes http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Louis_Vuitton_Shoes_1.htm NFL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/NFL_Jerseys_1.htm Kids NFL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Kids_NFL_Jerseys_1.htm Kids NHL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Kids_NHL_Jerseys_1.htm Women NFL Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Women_NFL_Jerseys_1.htm MLB Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/MLB_Jerseys_1.htm Football Jerseys http://www.cnbrandshop.com/Football_Jerseys_1.
nfst 04/09/2010 7:36:30 PM

fake ring
vintage dior bag designer silver rings
Concord watches

replica Chanel
Versace New Arrivals fake Blancpain watch
Swiss Army replica
Maurice Lacroix watches
hermes replica bags

burberry replica

louis vuitton knock off

crossbody hobo
Snssss 04/09/2010 7:35:43 PM

fake ring
vintage dior bag designer silver rings
Concord watches

replica Chanel
Versace New Arrivals fake Blancpain watch
Swiss Army replica
Maurice Lacroix watches
hermes replica bags

burberry replica

louis vuitton knock off

crossbody hobo
ed-hardy 03/21/2010 7:52:02 PM

Ed Hardy clothing often use some embroidery, washing, splash-ink and other techniques, to create a feeling of decadence erosion,ed hardy and then combined in the master reverberates from the Eagle, tiger skeletons,ed hardy watches demons, daggers, and nudes, etc. tattoo, producing a series of Clothes. Another strong oriental taste of the carp,Nike star Jerseys a dragon and the tiger totem, the tiger dogs and squirrels are a relatively new breed of cartoon creation.
JL 02/26/2010 5:50:19 PM

I'm never reading SFWeekly again. This article if incorrect throughout. Useless and worse. Hurt SF business.
replica watches 07/20/2009 5:38:57 AM

Bvlgari Watches
replica watches 07/19/2009 2:20:29 AM

Panerai Watches
GreenQueen 07/16/2009 8:07:18 PM

How can you be proud of yourself as a writer? You admittedly say as a result of YOUR request, Kink.com has lost funding. They have a right to that funding.
cqy111 07/16/2009 4:29:06 AM

http://www.edhardy-zone.com/ http://www.ed-hardy.cc/ http://www.edhardy-zone.com/ http://www.ed-hardy.cc/ http://www.edhardy-zone.com/ http://www.ed-hardy.cc/
cqy1111 07/16/2009 4:28:00 AM

ed hardy swimwear ed hardy tanks ed hardy woman t-shirts ed hardy t-shirts ed hardy men accessories ed hardy woman scarves ed hardy men t-shirts ed hardy belts ed hardy caps ed hardy women t-shirts ed hardy jewelry ed hardy dresses ed hardy intimates lingerie ed hardy hoody ed hardy woman jewelry ed hardy men hoody ed hardy shoes ed hardy socks ed hardy women hoody ed hardy sunglasses ed hardy woman shoes ed hardy woman socks ed hardy ties ed hardy wallets/ luggage ed hardy watches ed hardy wristbands ed hardy scarves ed hardy woman sunglasses ed hardy woman waches ed hardy men short sleeve polo ed hardy men apparel ed hardy jeans ed hardy 3xl and 4xl tees ed hardy men Jeans ed hardy denim ed hardy women jeans ed hardy hoodies outerwear ed hardy bottoms ed hardy woman caps ed hardy women platinum drawstring pants ed hardy hoodies outerwear ed hardy knits tops ed hardy bottoms ed hardy woman denim ed hardy women stretch miniskirt ed hardy sweaters ed hardy clothing ed hardy swimwear ed hardy swim trunks ed hardy women apparel ed hardy bikini ed hardy tops ed hardy women's one piece swim suit ed hardy t-shirts ed hardy women clothing ed hardy underwear ed hardy underwear loungewear ed hardy men underwear ed hardy women accessories ed hardy lingerie ed hardy bags purses ed hardy belts ed hardy women belts ed hardy sunglasses ed hardy woman wallets ed hardy woman wristbands
cqy1111 07/16/2009 4:24:38 AM

http://www.edhardy-zone.com/
replica watches 07/14/2009 1:14:09 AM

i recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don't know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.The post from wholesale watches Company.
Mark 05/19/2009 9:37:19 AM

"Editors, how the fuck could you think that it was ok to compare the inhumane, brutal torture of prisoners to kinky sex on film?" OTOH, if this kink had 0% in common with torture then wouldn't it have no bondage, sadism, dominance, or masochism involved and therefore not be BDSM kink in the first place?
Anja Flower 05/06/2009 1:54:26 PM

"Economic coercion?" Oh great, the view of women as helpless victims is once again in full force. Has it occurred to our dear writer that some women - me, for example - might actually ENJOY KINK? Yes, you read me right. Some people like being tied up, whipped, electrocuted, fucked with fucking machines, and so on. That includes a large amount of WOMEN. Women like me and many of my friends. So before you claim Kink.Com as some sort of evil monsters and paint the sex workers who they employ as victims of some kind, you might want to put down your torch and pitchfork and look at what's actually going on here. This isn't a sinister den of evil perverts, this is an ethical, well-regarded company that employs women who LIKE kink, enjoy exhibiting their love of kink online, and certainly don't mind getting some good money out of it, either. The BDSM/leather community in the Bay Area regards Kink.Com very highly, and you'd think that we'd be a good barometer of such things. Maybe? Perhaps?
Disappointed-3192 05/05/2009 9:23:33 PM

Your combination of self-righteousness with a total lack of empathy for this lifestyle produces a nauseating abomination of a news article. Congratulations! Seriously though... really? From "the most read newspaper" in a city prided for its acceptance of diversity in both culture and sexual preference (which probably should include BDSM...). I can't help but feel a disgusting wave of hypocrisy envelop me as I read your one-sided quotes and your depictions of consensual actions as horrible, grotesque, scenes of unspeakable cruelty. Maybe next time, if you want to try and fool someone above the lowest common denominator (For all I know this may be beyond your capabilities as a journalist), You should get a quote from someone who has actually participated in said "cruelties" and see how they view such acts. Yours truly...
Connor Young 05/05/2009 12:48:47 PM

I'm just curious... is it so impossible to believe that some people enjoy BDSM activities? Even the people on the receiving end? With all the evidence showing that yes many people do enjoy the BDSM lifestyle, your article still seems to assume (as I'm reading it, at least) that any women who participate for money must be victims. Since Kink.com websites have been around a long time, well before the recession, and since there was never a shortage of models, arguments put forth by your "psychologist" are clearly bogus... so why even include arguments that anyone can see hold no water? As for people agreeing to accept pain in exchange for making money as a performer... I wonder if you were similarly offended by MTV's Jackass? If you're wondering why many readers have reacted poorly to this article it's simply because this article reads an awful lot like the kind of judgmental, finger-pointing armchair morality nonsense that makes up much of what we get from the religious right. When will this country grow up and accept the fact that consenting adults should have every right to engage in the sexual practices of their choice with other consenting adults?
Juniper 05/05/2009 4:52:23 AM

"Maybe you just need a little D/s or BDSM in your life as an outlet for all the aggression and contempt you just laid on kink.com." This makes as little sense as telling a lesbian, when she speaks up about something, that she just needs to get fucked by a man.
ilana rothman 05/02/2009 6:12:08 PM

I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone who has offered their kind words of encouragement towards Kink.com. We really appreciate all the love and support. To stay in the loop about what's going on with our appeal to the ETP, please follow us on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/behindkink. And for the latest news about Kink.com and all of our sites, check out our free video blog at http://www.behindkink.com. Thank again for your support! Sincerely, ilana rothman Director of Communications, Kink.com
RevBookburn 05/01/2009 8:58:54 PM

Is this guy for real? I had to look again to be sure it wasn't written by Rush Limbaugh or Pastor Ted Haggard or Sen. David 'Diaperman' Vitter. Does he need hysteria to feed from in order to write? Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta
RevBookburn 05/01/2009 8:58:49 PM

Is this guy for real? I had to look again to be sure it wasn't written by Rush Limbaugh or Pastor Ted Haggard or Sen. David 'Diaperman' Vitter. Does he need hysteria to feed from in order to write? Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta
RevBookburn 05/01/2009 8:58:46 PM

Is this guy for real? I had to look again to be sure it wasn't written by Rush Limbaugh or Pastor Ted Haggard or Sen. David 'Diaperman' Vitter. Does he need hysteria to feed from in order to write? Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta
John 05/01/2009 8:08:44 AM

Great article Matt. I am sure that the BDSM and the other communities of pro-porn will jump down your throat on event alking about the subject at all. I'm glad you put light to the matter. The govt. does not have to fund all speech, a court case has already decided that. As for Kink.com, good luck. I do not like what they do but I do not want to see it banned etc. I just find it ridiculous, looking at some of thier pron, to find these "actresses" crying afterward and being asked "Did you have fun?" as they muster up a weepy "Yes" through running mascara, swweat and male , er fluids all over them. Hey it's thier right to have such fun, but govt. shoudl play no part in funding it. As for the BDSM community who seems to talk about consensual versus non-consensual, whatever. They should know they are NOT a majority and some 15 years ago, such videos were illegal in many of the states. Did you ever mention one aspect of these types of films where they hogtie a woman, gag her, stick a broom handle in an orifice and use her to mop up the floor? Sounds great! NOT!
Poor Matt 04/30/2009 2:39:52 PM

Matt: what if one of Kinks videos featured a MAN with "electrodes attached to his genitals"? A man who got off on being physically dominated by a woman? Would you still be worked up into such a puritanical snit? I get the feeling that you think all BDSM porn humiliates women. Can't you understand that people get off on all kinds of things that you'll never understand? In closing, I feel sorry for you and your wife. Must be vanilla central.
fumattsmith 04/30/2009 3:50:44 AM

Iamcuriousblue and Ed said it the best. They're more eloquent, but I am drunk. Fuck you Matt Smith. I'll never pick up a weekly again. Editors, how the fuck could you think that it was ok to compare the inhumane, brutal torture of prisoners to kinky sex on film? Matt, the Folsom street fair is Sept 27 this year, maybe you should go report about the terrible shit that goes on there. There are people in restraints all over the place... PS- way to fuck up the funding for a reputable/sexy site.
Dan Cooper 04/28/2009 3:11:58 PM

Er, Matt, you are aware, I hope that this is an employee training program, paid for by taxes on employers? It's designed to give people portable skills that they can take elsewhere. So if kink.com's staff are oppressed and abused, this is just the thing they need to enable them to depart. Now, in fact by all reports, kink.com's staff are very happy working there, and have no wish to leave. So the skills do stay with the company, which somewhat detracts from my point, but detracts even more from this rather crude attempt to engender a moral panic.
renee 04/28/2009 2:22:36 PM

What a sad narrow minded little man you are Mr. Matt Smith. Not only does Kink. com provide jobs to many San Franciscans as a legal California business, it pays taxes that pave our roads and fund our schools. That aside, I would like to think that any legitimate small business in California would be able to secure these grants for employee training and development without worry as to whether someone like or dislikes what it is that they do. Personally, I think that kink.com is a great addition to small business in San Francisco and I love the content that is put out on all the websites you so abhor and condemn. Maybe you just need a little D/s or BDSM in your life as an outlet for all the aggression and contempt you just laid on kink.com. Or maybe you just need to get laid. Sincerely, A Very Loyal Kink.com Supporter
Juniper 04/28/2009 2:15:39 PM

"A right NOT to engage in BDSM activities? Who in God's name if forcing anyone to engage in BDSM activities? The entire nature of the community and practice of BDSM is that of CONSENT. Nothing, repeat -NOTHING-, is done without the full, knowing consent of those involved." I just found out about another case: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/us0808/8.htm "...While girls are paddled less than boys, many teachers and parents we spoke with said they had particular concerns about the sexual overtones of subjecting teenage girls to corporal punishment. In addition, as already noted, some interviewees expressed unease over the link between corporal punishment and domestic violence. These interviewees argued that it was wrong to teach children in school that it is permissible for someone in authority to strike a weaker person who cannot hit back. "Case Study: Allison Guthrie "Allison Guthrie, a recent high school graduate in the Dallas area, was paddled when she was 17. She was sent to detention three times in one week for being late, and was given the choice of in-school suspension or 'swats': "The principal was male. I think he used to be the athletic director, he was maybe 300 pounds.... I had to get parental consent, my mom had to sign off on the swats. She actually came up to the school to sign off on that. She decided to leave it up to me, I guess she figured I could decide for myself.... "My mom left, and I went into the principal's office and there was a female there, like a secretary, a female witness. He gave me a chair and said hold onto the chair. The paddle had holes in it. Then he just did three swats.... I was hit on my buttocks.... There were holes in the paddle to make it go faster. There was a bit of a pause in between each swat. The whole thing was a minute. The principal didn't say anything to me.... It hurt very much. There were definitely red marks and then swelling. I remember it being red on my buttocks. Almost welt-like markings. It didn't last for more than a couple days.... "It was strange back then and it was even stranger when I got older. It was like, 'Wow, you were a 17-year-old girl and got hit?' But it was not out of the ordinary then because people got swats. It left me feeling very humiliated. I think there were several levels of emotion. Physical pain, mental humiliation. One, it felt a little unjustified—just for being late? And being a female at that age, it was like there was this older man hitting me on the butt. That's weird. Very strange at that age. Even at that age I knew it was inappropriate, this being a man that I don't know. It was this instinctual knowing that it was inappropriate.... "'I have talked about it since then, but we didn't talk about it as being inappropriate then. I think it took me a while to realize why I was so ashamed by it and how inappropriate it was.'" "...Another twelfth-grade girl echoed that sentiment: 'Can you believe it, I got paddled by a male teacher? It was for little stuff, like talking out loud. It was just a tap on my behind. But why does a man have to tap a girl? That's why I think he's a pervert...' One expert felt that because corporal punishment is now more often practiced in private (in the principal's office, as opposed to in the classroom), it is more likely to have sexual overtones. A Mississippi teacher summarized the sense of discomfort: "'I know, as a 24-year-old male, I would feel very uncomfortable paddling a 14-year-old female on the butt ... I don't know, there are sexual connotations with paddling on the butt. It's not a storyline I want to be involved in.'..."
Cloud 04/27/2009 9:17:02 PM

It's sad many of the commenters clearly failed to read the whole article. The author is NOT anti-BDSM. The article is not anti-BDSM. But I do wish the author had been less subtle with the acknowledgements that Cybernet Entertainment LLC / kink.com has earned a reputation of protecting its employees and requiring all work be done in accordance with strict ethics including consent, pay, safety, etc. I was frankly impressed when I poked around their policies, and also saw what others had to say of them.
butters 04/26/2009 8:08:47 AM

Please SFWeekly, Fire this guy. For all the reasons stated above. Mainly, the article wasnt journalism and Matt Smith isnt a journalist, just a douche. You've lost a reader until you do. I'll be letting your advertisers know the same thing. B.
MercyX 04/25/2009 9:16:07 PM

This is so over the top it almost makes me think that Matt wrote this article with the express intention of provoking a spanking out of one of the female dommes at Kink.
Juniper 04/25/2009 7:02:48 PM

"In spite of BDSM being out of the closet for some time now, people still get occasionally are prosecuted for assault or lose custody of their children if this part of their private lives is revealed." ...and that's especially horrible when custody of the child goes from the parent who spanks a consenting step-parent in the bedroom to the parent who spanks the child against his or her will.
Juniper 04/25/2009 6:59:32 PM

"wow, I wonder how many employees at KINK got screwed because of this piece... can anyone say LAWSUIT?" You want someone to sue a writer and/or his press for reminding a government agency what that agency was funding? That makes no sense. If someone reminds you that a company cashed a check you wrote a while ago then forgot about, should that person be sued for it too?
Juniper 04/25/2009 6:53:54 PM

"Quoted from the article, 'People think of it as a matter of rights, rather than ask the question, 'Should people have a right not to do this?'' "A right NOT to engage in BDSM activities? Who in God's name if forcing anyone to engage in BDSM activities? The entire nature of the community and practice of BDSM is that of CONSENT. Nothing, repeat -NOTHING-, is done without the full, knowing consent of those involved." OTOH, don't some people who are born with a taste for domination and/or sadism not find the BDSM community and learn the BDSM community's rules before they get a chance to have any sex that involves bondage, domination, sadism, and/or masochism? For example, some people on this planet pay bride prices and/or brothel fees in order to sexually dominate unwilling girls whose parents don't want to or can't protect them. Obviously *something* is done without the full, knowing consent of those involved.
cassandra 04/25/2009 6:08:53 PM

Such ignorance! Matt Smith clearly has no god damn clue about the porn industry. Do your research before you preach, douchebag.
unbelievable 04/25/2009 1:59:21 PM

This is unbelievable. This article, at best is a last minute turn in. It clearly has no research behind it. I support kink.com in receiving any benefits that any other company has the right to receive. If they need models and cannot afford them due to this, I know of plenty that would pay to have these type pics taken of them, myself included.
knife 04/24/2009 11:58:49 PM

I'm interested in tracking the outcome of this article (both for the writer & the subjects) in print and media. See links already posted @ whippedandgagged.blogspot.com
Rick 04/24/2009 7:32:58 PM

wow, I wonder how many employees at KINK got screwed because of this piece... can anyone say LAWSUIT?
Matthew 04/24/2009 3:28:54 PM

20 years ago people like you went after the gays...today you know better because the gays got organized and going after them is political hari kari...esp in a city like San Francisco. So now you find another target to spew your hate at. I suggest you go find someone else to mess with like perhaps the Girl scouts. The BD/SM Community tends to look out for their own, fight dirty and play rougher than you ever dreamed of. It would not surprise me in the least if you looked outside your window tomorrow and saw picketers howling for your...well, you fill in the blank. Congratulations...you just p*ssed off the last people you should be messing with...and I think you are about to find that out. To quote the late May West (I think it was her anyway) "Hang on boys...this is gonna be a bumpy ride." Wolf
Cherry Torn 04/24/2009 2:08:30 PM

Sensationalist articles like this disgust me. It doesn't even need to be based in fact for the writer to get exactly what he wants, attention be it good or bad. Everyone before me hit the important points, but I just wanted to add my lot to the string of kink.com models here who don't appreciate Smith's ridiculously broad generalizations. I love my job and I'm continuously impressed with kink's ethics. Trying to prove a point with Melissa Farley's "In this economy, this is something women would rather not do, but they feel they have to" is downright laughable. Excuse me Ms. Farley, do you speak for women now? Are "women" now some homogenized group who had a meeting and decided you speak for us? This just goes to show that even in the sane, liberal bubble of San Francisco hate can still come slithering in.
Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 2:02:37 PM

Oh, and just in case one needs to know where Melissa Farley (Smith's only source for this piece) stands on BDSM, even BDSM practiced in private without being put out in the context of pornography, have a look at this: http://www.mediawatch.com/wordpress/?p=21 Her rather over-the-top take on Kink.com, written a few years ago in light of the Armory/Kink.com controversy, can be found here: http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/blog/2007/10/kinkcom_in_san_francisco_women.html � And SF Weekly says Bay Guardian has an extremist agenda.
Lee 04/24/2009 2:33:06 PM

WOW, just WOW. I read a similar story a couple months back about a company that managed to get government grants for a mobile porn company, I think it was http://www.room66.com or something.... Although, its still better than giving it to the banks!
Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 1:35:50 PM

Re: mike @ #60 Well, yes, as a matter of fact, I do think that an article calling filmed BDSM a kind of filmed torture, and calling it the equivalent of Abu Ghraib, AND assuming that the women who are participating in are all victims, without even bothering to interview even ONE of them is pretty damn anti-BDSM. One of the most common forms of anti-BDSM bigotry, in fact, is the all-too-common coding of its participants as either perpetrators or victims. And "persecution complex"? Unless you're in a position to be on the receiving end of that bigotry, its really a bit arrogant to say that it doesn't exist. In spite of BDSM being out of the closet for some time now, people still get occasionally are prosecuted for assault or lose custody of their children if this part of their private lives is revealed. That kind of bigotry is long-standing, of course, but people like Matt Smith and Melissa Farley (the latter a self-proclaimed "progressive") certainly do their part to maintain it.
SabrinaWolf 04/24/2009 11:37:10 AM

Unfreakingbelievable. Disgusting. Horrible yellow journalism. All things I've already heard about this article. I wasn't planning on commenting, as those that came before me have probably said it better than I can. After reading, I just can't keep my mouth shut. Within the BDSM community we have heated discussions about different things, but if you attack us with horribly slanted "journalism" like this, we stand as a whole. We come together like nothing I've ever seen. I have been a model for Kink, and enjoyed every minute of it. We do it not because we're desperate, hardly! We do it because for many of us, we're getting paid to do something we already do in our private life. Kink.com professionals are some of the most highly skilled and respected members of our community, and it would be my pleasure to work with them again anytime. I hope this article continues to attract attention and give us a chance to speak out against this garbage.
SabrinaWolf 04/24/2009 11:31:22 AM

I, along with at least a hundred of my friends, have not and will not let this attack on our community remain unanswered. As a community we pull together to support each other unlike anything I've ever seen. We may have very strong differences of opinions within us, but if you attack us, we stand as a whole. If you want to use buzz words to describe how we think and operate, the accurate ones to use would be consent, trust, and education. And that's only to start. I can't believe that this article was ever published, I really thought we'd seen all but the last of yellow journalism. It makes me sick to think an editor let this garbage move past his desk. The information request in itself is fine, but to slant the article like this is disgusting. As others have said, we model for Kink because we want to, we enjoy what we do, and it's an amazing company to work with, from the security staff and housekeeping to the directors and management staff. I hope that this article generates more business for Kink and less for the paper. Seems we have a good start.
Red 04/24/2009 11:07:12 AM

wouldn't it be great if all of those involved in the adult entertainment industry stopped advertising in the SF Weekly? why should we support a paper that has a columnist that does nothing but attack us? Should we really be helping to pay his salary?
mike 04/24/2009 11:05:08 AM

If you think this article is anti-BDSM, congratulations, you've also got a persecution complex to go along with your other kinks. Get off the cross, we need the wood.
Daniel Andrade 04/24/2009 11:00:06 AM

Way to fuck up freedom of speech when it is actually happening and the powers that be aren't aware. As a journalist I hope you are someday censored, fired and forced to write PR releases for laxatives. It is the only way to bring justice for how you totally fucked these people who were using state training just like any other company. Is a company that makes bullets making them as decorative pieces?
Juan Valdez 04/24/2009 10:59:53 AM

Im a filmmaker, and I am currently working at Kink, I was one of the affected employees that got a Motion class cancelled because of this guy Smith. I don't necessarily practice any BDSM in my personal live, its just my job, but thanks to you I can't get any more benefits to improve my career... hope you never have to be in the same situation Mr Matt Smith!
Juan Valdez 04/24/2009 10:57:49 AM

Im a filmmaker, and I am currently working at Kink, I was one of the affected employees that got a Motion class cancelled because of this guy Smith. I don't necessarily practice any BDSM in my personal live, its just my job, but thanks to you I can't get any more benefits to improve my career... hope you never have to be in the same situation Mr Matt Smith!
jenny 04/24/2009 10:56:14 AM

I can't help but think that the author should have been happy the kink.com staff was in these classes. By upgrading their skills, they're being given the chance to get out of porn, and into 'legitimate' work.
Sean A 04/24/2009 10:31:37 AM

This appears to be a small-minded, mean-spirited backbiting article which attempts to stoke public sensitivities over the economy and connect them with a personal bias of the author. Apparently not much research went into this. Taxpayers don't pay for these subsidies, payroll taxes do. Subsidized worker training at all level of the professional spectrum is a common use of payroll taxes. And if you're going to say the models (who are both women AND men by the way) are pushed into modeling by economic circumstance, at least you could quote one. The words that describe this type of 'journalism' are 'muckraking' and 'yellow'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism)
Goofball Jones 04/24/2009 10:17:35 AM

Way to sensationalize something that's totally, 100% consensual between all the parties involved. This isn't "torture" in the traditional sense, but I'm sure you all know this. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Kink.com goes out of their way to show that everything is consensual between all parties. They interview the models (btw, it's both women AND men that are the involved as the models, but again it's better if you just single out the women) beforehand and afterwards to see what they did and didn't like about the session. It's all about people who like this type of thing. Also, can you point me to the parts of the article where you interviewed passed models...both the men and the women...that made some of these videos to see how they feel about it? I mean, you DID go out and find them didn't you, before writing this story. Yes? Please tell us you did...
Ed 04/24/2009 10:04:55 AM

Journalism.... you're doing it wrong.
Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 9:53:12 AM

Unfortunately, it seems that Matt Smith and SF Weekly has allowed itself to become a mouthpiece for the cranky and crank-ish neoconservative feminism of Melissa Farley. First with its jingoistic anti-Prop K stance last year and now with the rhetoric displayed in the article. To my mind, the relevant question about CETP is whether its being used as a form of corporate welfare or whether its truly a jobs-creation program. If its the former, then I don't think either Kink.com or, say, KRON should be getting that subsidy. However, if it is genuinely a job-training program in multimedia, then it should make no difference whether the employee is going off to a well-paying job for a design firm or a porn company. (And lets get away from the red herring that this has anything to do with forcing the poor into porn modeling � we are talking about production-end jobs here.) You have moral problems with pornography? Well, too bad, a lot of people have moral problems with advertising (pick up a copy of Adbusters sometime) and I don't see a call for ending government funding for training to enter that industry. And your "first amendment expert" aside (who was using what was already a bad piece of legislation � the NEA attack on Karen Finley � as a defense of this), I really don't think its the government's business to channel trainees into one form of media over another, especially in a way that constitutes blatent viewpoint discrimination. The absolute low point of this article is the inflammatory language calling Kink.com "torture porn" and repeating Melissa Farley's disgusting comparison between Kink.com and Abu Ghraib (rhetoric that really dishonors the victims of Abu Ghraib). Farley-esque rhetoric about "giving people money if they'll agree to being on camera while being stripped, bound, impaled, beaten, and shocked" is pure nonsense. Kink.com films people practicing BDSM and many of the models for that company are local "players" from that same scene. Last I checked, BDSM was already something some people consensually seek out, in fact, its not unknown for someone to pay some of the advertisers in the back pages your newspaper to do *to them* some of the very things that are depicted on Kink.com. Ironic, that.
modelpartner 04/24/2009 9:49:11 AM

I have read the article by Matt Smith as well as the responses by the readers. I have yet to see any responses to posts, except the above response by Mr. Smith. I find it ironic that Mr. Smith is waiting to be contacted by the writer of the pamphlet, when he neglected to contact the employees and models for Kink.com. I am married to one of their models, and know that she got into modeling for them to fulfill her fantasies. She was also very excited to get paid for things she already participates in. She has worked for the Wiredpussy.com, Devicebondage.com, SexandSubmission.com, TrainingofO and Pissing.com. She has enjoyed each of these experiences, and continues to work for Kink, whenever they hire her. Mr. Smith's characterization of the models for Kink as individuals who are coerced into porn and unable to make decisions for themselves due to economic hardship is belied by the facts. I have had the pleasure of meeting many of the models for Kink and found them to be intelligent, well spoken and goal directed. I understand that the request for information was Mr. Smith�s right, but his gloating regarding the result and biased research methods cause me to believe he is a poor example of a journalist. If the Weekly wishes to continue to be regarded as reliable source of information, they need to examine the hiring practices, and determine if the writers they hire are researches or self glorifying gossip columnists.
Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 9:23:00 AM

#37 Calling for some kind of advertiser boycott of SF Weekly based on its more ignorant stances on BDSM and sex work is one thing. Saying that the article should be pulled after its been published and that "Hateful articles with no respect for factual information or dual opinions should not be tolerated" is quite another, especially from somebody who signs off as "Free Speech". The latest round of ignorance and hate from Matt Smith and Melissa Farley deserve a response, but that isn't it.
MsRubyV 04/24/2009 9:00:34 AM

Wow. This article is so completely one-sided and obviously bias. (And even that is a vast understatement) I find it particularly upsetting that Matt seems to think that the only way that women would willingly participate in kink/bdsm/leather sex is under economic coercion. Does this government funding go to the mainstream film industry as well? It occurred to me that if the government can take away funding based on the whole 'torture based pornography' argument, then what about the funding of filmmakers that make torture-based horror films? How about films that depict the brutal rape and torture of women?
Al 04/24/2009 8:36:14 AM

I find this totally onesided. If you've never been shocked by a cattle prod, he you have know idea what you're talking about. Money is not going to be a motivator for this type of experience. Either you like it or you don't. If you don't know one will be getting withina mile of you with that device. If you want to expose something go after the pay for school administrators. Or better yet those pay raises the state just gave out. Write about something you may actually get real facts about!!
Rissa 04/24/2009 8:16:40 AM

Quoted from the article, "People think of it as a matter of rights, rather than ask the question, 'Should people have a right not to do this?'" A right NOT to engage in BDSM activities? Who in God's name if forcing anyone to engage in BDSM activities? The entire nature of the community and practice of BDSM is that of CONSENT. Nothing, repeat -NOTHING-, is done without the full, knowing consent of those involved. This sort of lazy, fear-mongering editorial is neither productive nor honest in its representation. It is disgusting to me that this publication would not only sponsor but encourage this sort of misleading - if not downright slanderous - "reporting" of a growing community, much of which is supported and enhanced by the gay community. This byline does the author no credit, and I would hope that his editors take some time to address the benefits of actual research and reporting with integrity.
Johnny Cash 04/24/2009 4:45:09 AM

I think it has gone WELL beyond "obscene"! RT www.anonymity.es.tc
Josh Wolf 04/24/2009 1:23:52 AM

Matt, This is one case, where I think your article would have been stronger if you hadn't so heavily editorialized your description of the company's product. You already have a great source describing it as torture and economic slavery so what would you have lost if you had described Kink's product straight: BDSM, pain play, torture simulation, etc. The story wouldn't have lost any impact, and there wouldn't be people running around with signs calling for a boycott. At least that's my take.
Kannibal King 04/24/2009 1:14:11 AM

Reading all this, the blatant propaganda of people who have an apparent fear of free choice and no understanding of consent at all, is making me sick. I really hoped people, especially in a city rumoured to be so open-minded as SF, knew better by now. BDSM is not about torture and pain. Not about use and abuse. Its about having the freedom to be whatever the hell you desire to be. The only thing funny about this article was the more then ten links to kink.com in it. I'm sure they'll love the attention.
Marco 04/23/2009 11:56:00 PM

What an appalling mixture of ignorance, prejudice, willful misunderstanding, and an attempt to tittilate your readers. BDSM is not torture - torture is by definition non-consensual. Just a few minutes of basic research would tell you that virtually all BDSM "Porn" is produced within the BDSM community - it is people pointing cameras at what they'd be doing anyway. If you had wanted to say "look at these people, aren't they weird?" then you didn't need a few thousand words of fake investigative reporting to do so. If you wanted to say that people should be prevented from exercising their sexual rights - either with or without a camera - then have the guts to say so. You deserve all the crap you get for this. Marco
Chase 04/23/2009 11:46:05 PM

Damn it... I had it all wrong. I used to defend the weekly for occasional good journalism... but this confirms that you guys totally and utterly suck... Congrats! Matt and co. should move to Kansas... You might be more comfortable among others who also repress healthy sexual expression... Like it or not: Sex and the desire to be creative with it and even making films consisting of sex plays an important role as a natural cultural conduit. Should I recite the many religious and conservative institutions, major intellectuals have themselves been twisted and truly criminal with there sexual perversions (ie Catholic Priests, Mormon polygamy, general promotion of feeling guilty for natural hormonal/psychological development)... Matt Smith = Jesse Helms
Craig Stallone 04/23/2009 11:06:11 PM

Wow, how sad to see anti-BDSM come out of San Francisco. I'd thought of yours as a pretty tolerant city, but maybe not. First Prop. 8, then this. I guess mine is the better coast to live on these days.
FreeSpeech 04/23/2009 8:07:41 PM

That is exactly the point-is that it's about the fact that the article is simply one-sided and doesn't present a whole picture of the topic. Just because you have the right to free speech,doesn't mean you can yell fire in a crowded room.
mike 04/23/2009 6:24:16 PM

This from a person under the moniker "FreeSpeech": "Hateful articles with no respect for factual information or dual opinions should not be tolerated." And they should be, what, "removed" as you suggest? Dude, please. You're better served attacking the bogus rules and gov't wanks who cut the funding instead of the writer. Your issue is with the state department that freaked out, not the columnist. So he doesn't like you and your porn: Deal.
FreeSpeech 04/23/2009 5:39:04 PM

**Previous post about the boycott was not associated with Kink.com and does not reflect the views of any of the parties involved.** Hateful articles with no respect for factual information or dual opinions should not be tolerated.
FreeSpeech 04/23/2009 5:24:07 PM

Boycott posters will be going up around the city beginning this weekend. Write to the Editor and to the reporter and let them know that this is unacceptable "journalism" that has caused undue harm to the community. We want a public and formal apology AND the article taken down for it's lack of journalistic contribution. Lastly, We want a redaction of the hateful term "torture porn" with regards to the safe,sane and consensual acts among two people. Until such time that these conditions have been met-We will encourage everyone to boycott the SFweekly and pull their ad space. INCLUDING THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT ADS THAT YOU SO HEAVILY RELY ON! We love,we respect and we will not be ignored.
Telly Brand 04/23/2009 4:44:28 PM

Bill O'Reilly could not have said it better!
lilycat 04/23/2009 2:15:45 PM

So, Mr. Smith when you actually talked to the people making the video (the people benefiting from the training)did you find out how many plan to used the training to get other jobs to improve their lives and the lives of their family, how many are using the training to make documentaries to benefit many Bay Area communities and cultures. Did you find anything about the BDSM community... cause it is a community - with families, people that look out for each other, people that do volunteer work and raise funds to help out a lot of other Bay Area groups. Did you really talk to any of the actually people in the films to find out anything real about Kink and it's workers or did you go with writing a porn bad piece... well, to latter you did - for sure. As some one who knows alot of people who work in the porn industry (Kink and other places); I can say without a doubt you wrote a bad article and did a very bad thing. You may think you just stoped the government from funding "evil porn"; but really what you did in the end is fuck up people's lives... and how brain dead and heartless of you to think otherwise.
Mindy 04/23/2009 12:59:35 PM

Just for the record: no taxpayer money is used for this training. The funds come directly from the payroll taxes that each participant / employer contributes to. Bombs come out of a different pot of money.
mattymatt 04/23/2009 12:59:21 PM

I can't understand why everyone's treating Matt Smith like he's the bad guy here, when it's California's Employment Training Panel that made up the crazy, sex-negative, possibly-unconstitutional rule. If anyone's the enemy here, isn't the the ETP? Today they're denying equal access to the porn industry; what arbitrary limits will they impose next? No more training for Pixar because their movies are too scary? Sure, porn is naughty; but even naughty people deserve the same career services that the rest of us get. As long as Kink's forced to pay into the ETP fund, they ought to be able to get something out of it. I do agree, though, that Matt's article might've benefited from some quotes from happy, healthy, gainfully-employed members of the adult entertainment industry. The quote from the anti-porn crusader is entirely out-of-touch with reality.
mike 04/23/2009 12:39:14 PM

The columnist brings up some good points. I, for one, would rather my tax dollars not be spent to teach someone how to film and edit fictionalized torture scenes. But whatever; I don't like the fact that my tax dollars go to bombs and bullets, either. The bigger issue is: Jeez, Kink owners! Learn how to run a business! You had to lay people off in the porn biz? And you hire video techs who need free training from BAVC? C'mon, guys. Rule number one when running a media company: Pay top dollar for the nerds.
Mz Berlin 04/23/2009 12:03:35 PM

Matt Smith- I noticed that you did not have any direct quotes from models in your article. The women that you claim are abused and tortured do not have voices. What's the deal? I have never felt degraded or uncomfortable while working at Kink.com. And I've chosen to work for them because I relish the personal experience, not the paycheck. Kink.com's ability to find models has very little to do with marketing or money, it's their attitude towards, well, "kink" and and their professionalism. Did you actually interview any models or did you just take Melissa Farley at her word? (That woman has more issues than a Bob Dylan song. Extremism is never a good thing.) No one likes being told how they should feel, and Ms. Farley excels at doing just that. Her blather has been quoted as the sole "fact" regarding the "abuse" of women at The Armory. Not good reporting, Mr. Smith. Unless you're Mark Twain, and we can assume that you are not, getting the facts after writing the story will not behoove you. As Always Mz B.
Joanne 04/23/2009 11:46:35 AM

What a prejudiced, uninformed article. Obviously Smith knows nothing about BDSM and its cornerstone: consent. If it makes HIM uncomfortable, it's bad. Journalistic integrity,anyone? I hope kink.com chooses to fight the loss of funding-and win. You go, kink.com!
Ken Ikeda 04/23/2009 11:39:22 AM

First, we want to thank Matt Smith for bringing attention to the Employment Training Panel (ETP) program and the Bay Area Video Coalition (BAVC) in his recent article �Whipped and Gagged.� As a 33-year-old non-profit organization that relies primarily on word-of-mouth to publicize our various programs and services, we hope that his article will encourage SF Weekly readers to check out our programs and services for media professionals. Particularly during this down economy, maintaining relevant and industry-standard skills is critically important. The truth is that through the ETP program BAVC has provided training to a wide range of employees at various companies for the last 10 years. Companies that have trained through ETP include: Pixar, ILM, Safeway, Thrasher, Sierra Club, Wells Fargo, Exploratorium, San Francisco Ballet, Zeum and Ubisoft. Even Mr. Smith has taken 184 hours of classes here at BAVC through the ETP program. Perhaps he was just doing research but we expect that he has already added those skills to his resume. And yes, employees of Cybernet Entertainment LLC (owners of Kink.com) have been part of that program. Cybernet is legally recognized by the state of California, and they employ 100+ Bay Area residents including 40% women, a diverse mix of communities of color, and a strong representation from the LGBTQ communities. Those employees are well paid, are protected in a safe, sane and consensual environment, and they receive full benefits: health, dental, vision and employer matched 401K. As a corporate entity, Cybernet pays its fair share of payroll taxes (through which the ETP program is funded) and makes significant in-kind and cash contributions to the community every year. At BAVC, we are less interested in sensational headlines that boost circulation, and more interested in investing in the individual stories that create our diverse communities. It is these individuals in whom BAVC and the ETP program invests. The Cybernet employees we train are videographers, editors, production assistants, graphic designers and motion graphic designers, many of whom will move on from Kink.com to work at advertising agencies, production companies, and various corporate offices around the state. The ETP program is critical for both BAVC and the state of California. Countless studies have shown that the future of California will depend on the creation of a highly skilled workforce. The training that BAVC provides through the ETP program is vital to the growth of California�s economy and the individual workers upon whose shoulders it rests. Mr. Smith�s lazy attempt to jump on the �bad government spending� bandwagon is dangerous in its disregard for this bigger picture and the economic realities of our state. His questions of government spending and censorship are an unfortunate case of reactionary sensationalism that could threaten the ETP program at BAVC. To learn more about BAVC and the ETP program, we encourage you to check out www.bavc.org/etp or write us at etp@bavc.org. Sincerely, Ken Ikeda Executive Director, Bay Area Video Coalition
aphalloides 04/23/2009 10:59:19 AM

Does SFWeekly still exist? I guess so. Still publishing totally unreliable tripe filled with bullshit reporting and absence of analysis or context? I guess so. Some things never change, so sad. Why does anyone read this rag at this point? Oh, I guess the "Best of" awards . . . well I suspect that Kink.com would win Best of BDSM porn in SF - just saying.
Ten 04/23/2009 10:58:14 AM

As someone who hasn't worked for Kink.com, but is scheduled to shoot (a.k.a. be tortured) I find this article both amusing and intensely frustrating. I'm just getting my leg in the door and I already have a glimpse of what I'll be facing. That's right, I have an *ambition* to engage in this type of "work" that stems, not from economic or other manipulation, but from an inner desire. I've been following Kink.com for a long time and this is a dream come true for me. I've mingled with some of the people who've appeared on the site both as torturers and recipients alike. I'll reiterate the point made above, how much research have you done? Have you spoken with the models or simply made assumptions as to why they are there and what they endure? My guess is the latter. As someone else said, if you'd done your research, you'd know that people across the nation (and dare I say in more concentrated numbers in San Fran) engage in these type of activities for FUN. I, for one, am intensely excited that I will be getting paid to engage in one of my favorite pastimes. You, my friend, will not be for much longer if you keep up the standard of work you are doing now.
William G Hartwell 04/23/2009 10:49:27 AM

So nice to see SFweekly.com demonstrating its total lack of perspective on the realities of BDSM. The editorial tone of the article, and the so-called "experts" quoted by the author, would make Cotton Mather embarrassed, let alone a 21st century mind. While I believe that NO business should be receiving federal money, as long as the feds are giving it out, there is no legitimate reason to bar a business like kink.com from receiving its share. The medieval expressions of shock and dismay are simply an expose of the author's pitiful lack of moral and ethical integrity.
Patricia West 04/23/2009 10:40:47 AM

This is infuriating. Why weren't any actual workers at Kink interviewed? To question their consent without speaking with them is totally absurd! This article not only attacks Kink, but questions the foundations of the entire BDSM community. And quoting Melissa Farley? She is the least reputable resource out there! Why weren't her ties to Christian anti-porn anti-BDSM extremism mentioned? You know, like how she's been arrested 13 times in 9 different states for publicly destroying pornography! How can the SF Weekly run a story damning professional BDSM but gladly accept advertising money from other sex workers?
Saynine 04/23/2009 10:26:28 AM

What a shame that in this age their are still publications that choose to push a puritanical agenda under the guise of reporting. Of course phrasing such as "I'm not joking" certainly lifts the veil of journalistic integrity It is disgraceful for any publication to cause the loss of training dollars during an economic meltdown created by the same political forces that would seek to eliminate any sexual activity outside that which fits the "Christian" norm. To brag about it within the same article is downright despicable. It is nothing short of amazing to see Yellow Journalism alive in the 21st century.
Graydancer 04/23/2009 10:24:07 AM

I used to idealize San Francisco as a bastion of free expression and sexual maturity. As a father of four grown daughters, I have often despaired at the puerile immaturity of our American culture as a whole, and I raised my girls to be aware of their bodies and most of all never let ANYONE tell them what they can or can't do with them - whether it be a husband, a girlfriend, a doctor, or a ignorant lazy yellow journalist looking for a quick story guaranteed to raise the self-righteous hackles of the sexually repressed "vanilla" minority. So I'm going to take this article with me to coffee with my youngest daughter today, who's 18, and show her just what it is that she's up against - people who want to tell her what she can or can't do. Being ashamed of sexuality is like being ashamed of your heartbeat. I've worked for kink.com, and am by profession a videographer, though not until recently of porn. My work has been shown worldwide and gotten awards - and while my porn won't, I suspect, I'm still just as proud of it, and have as much respect for the performers in it. I must confess to one fantasy I'm a bit ashamed of, though. It involves the fact that newspapers are having to lay off reporters, and the idea that maybe, just maybe, they'll lay off the lazy non-fact-checking boycott-inducing typists like Matt first...and he'll discover, due to his "economic situation" that the "only" recourse he has is to advertise his services - which seem to involve mainly recycling shit - in the back pages of the very paper he used to work for. I know. It's sad and nasty and not fair to all those legitimate sex workers who are there. But hey, it's a fantasy, what can I do? I'll be in my bunk.
Lochai 04/23/2009 10:14:13 AM

Matt, Could you please let us all know which models you interviewed for this piece? There must have been a lot of them for you to have made such a blanket statement as you do about being forced to do this work because they are desperate. If not who, just give us a round figure, 10, 20, 30? talk about hurting someone. Due to you, you are hurting many people educationally now. Due to you, there are people suffering because of the future knowledge you removed from them. So uninformed which could have easily be solved by taking one of our public tours or joining in our community forms. Lochai Director Hogtied.com
Leland 04/23/2009 9:26:45 AM

Hey Matt, Thanks for all the free URL exposure! I'm delighted that anyone with half a brain will notice how terrible the article is and click through to our sites. If you want to talk about economic coercion forcing women to consent to things that aren't ideal-- you should start with heterosexual monogamous marriage. Kisses. L. Graphic Designer at Kink.com
YaYasOut 04/22/2009 10:24:24 PM

"Torture-based pornography?" That would be a hilarious statement but the problem is Matt Smith clearly believes it. Dude, if you hate it so much why do you look at it? You must have in order to write such a biased piece. As others have pointed out, some of the classified ads in SF Weekly promote "torture-based pornography." Why haven't you written about them? I guess its because those ads help pay your salary.
Poormojo 04/22/2009 6:52:14 PM

Hey Matt Smith, You do understand that one of the key aspects of torture is that it's nonconsensual, right? And do you understand that all of the videos being made by professionals at Kink.com are completely consensual? In light of the actual torture revelations that have come out in these past weeks concerning Gitmo and elsewhere, I think you should choose your words more carefully. It's disrespectful to the workers at Kink.com, to the fans of their sites, and to everyone who campaigns against actual torture.
Pr0nographer 04/22/2009 3:04:48 PM

Matt Smith may have failed to notice that the mainstream film industry is more or less dead in the SF Bay Area. For filmmakers who wish to stay in the region while also making a living at their craft, Kink.com is one of the few opportunities for locals to work in an extremely busy professional video production house. As a videographer and editor here at Kink, I'm thrilled to be able to hone my skills and get paid for it. The BAVC training, which I and many others here have utilized, has helped expand our skills -- not only for our current jobs, but also for further filmmaking pursuits outside of the company. Not only do all of us pay taxes, but we also pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into the local economy and the Mission neighborhood in which we work. By occupying a long-abandoned building, Kink has visibly improved the 14th and Mission area, helping to make it a bustling, lively, and safe place to be. Mr. Smith needs to get off of his high horse and perform some real journalism of the kind that involves actual research. Hopefully he'll not only take the time to examine the larger picture, but perhaps he'll then also bother to learn the true nature of healthy, safe, and consensual BDSM play before he shoots off his mouth with no greater finesse than a smart-assed teenager posting a snarky YouTube comment.
Christophe 04/22/2009 2:27:45 PM

Setting aside the snarky, hectoring tone of the article, it gets one (in fact, the) critical fact wrong: The taxpayers do not subsidize ETP. Every single employer in the state (including Kink.com) pays a direct tax earmarked for ETP into the fund. So, all of the claims about "taxpayer" and "state-subsidized" training is, in fact, incorrect, something that about 30 seconds of fact-checking would have revealed. But that wasn't the point of the article, was it?
Boycott 04/22/2009 12:16:27 PM

Perhaps the BDSM community, and other sexual minority groups should boycott SF Weekly and every other publication that prints articles by Matt Smith. Apparently they don't realize how large this community is. Maybe its time they did.
Miss Maggie Mayhem 04/22/2009 12:09:52 PM

There is nothing original in writing an article that disregards a continuum of sexual choice and misrepresents sex workers by denying them an opportunity to speak for themselves, but it is incredibly disappointing to see it in the SF Weekly. Were the Kink.Com performers ignored because we have incredibly positive things to say about our experiences working with the company or because Matt Smith has the assumption that sex workers are too stupid to articulate the motivations behind our chosen careers? The first is unethical and the second is insulting. Even if this kind of porn isn't your thing, at least the employees of Kink.com have been acquiring transferable skills that will make them more competitive if/when they move out of the adult industry. There are still a few of us that develop skills in the workforce rather than a Columbia University classroom.
katy 04/22/2009 12:07:57 PM

It's sad that you have a problem with the material kink.com produces. It's probably the only truly responsible porn on the net. They make clear before the videos start that it is fiction, that the model has limits and boundaries and what those are, that they will be respected, they outline her safe word and how she can communicate it to stop the scene at any time, it is safe sex, the staff is fully trained in their craft (and it is made clear that you can't just pick up a rope and bind someone without knowing how to do it correctly and safely). Your ridiculous comparison to "torture" is your own prudish problem with the wide variety of expression of human sexuality. If people are going to watch porn that depicts BDSM, I prefer, certainly, that they watch it from someone who conveys it in a responsible and SAFE and even educational capacity which kink.com does, and does exceptionally well I might add.
Mason Bryant 04/22/2009 11:55:19 AM

Wow, way to be totally objective in that "let me tell you all about why pornography is wrong, wrong, wrong" sort of way. Did Fox news buy SF Weekly or something?
Natalia 04/22/2009 11:43:16 AM

That wasn't journalism, that was an editorial. A really, really lame and offensive editorial.
seriously? 04/22/2009 10:54:30 AM

Hey Matt Smith: Next time try fifteen minutes of research. I know its hard, but you'll feel a lot better afterward.
JustSaying. 04/22/2009 10:14:40 AM

I find it funny how you criticize adult entertainment, but have an adult entertainment section in your classifieds section. Furthermore, I do not see the interview with the talented videographers who recieved training from the "subsidies" and went on to make meaningful documentaries that are now up for awards. That is just the beginning. In sum, your article, while it has merit due to the fact that you are exercising the right to freedom of the press, you have no understanding of the ramifications your actions cause. Because of you, these bright young videographers will no longer experience the type of support that someone making, say a religious documentary, would. Kinky people are not second class citzens and, like anyone else, they deserve government funding based on the merit and societal contributions of their work. Letters to the Executive Editor will be written, because they should know that you do not represent the community at large-AND that you, Matt Smith, are harming individuals in this community and should take responsibility for your actions. If your goal is to inadvertantly affect people who might otherwise read the SF weekly and even your article, if it weren't completely off base and 100% bias, then Matt-you're a winner. Good Day,Sir.
Community Member 04/22/2009 9:28:33 AM

I agree with paperisdead. SF weekly is benefiting from the same tax-funded services from BAVC, while it makes money selling prostitution ads. So how does a newspaper that makes money selling prostitution get tax subsidies, while a completely legal enterprise is shunned? If everyone can't use this service, no one should be able to. Shut it down. Who do I talk to about this? Matt Smith - you have just offended a very large community in San Francisco in very ignorant and hateful manner. Spend 15 minutes on research next time? Kink.com is well respected in our community, and depict what many of us do on a daily basis. They treat models better than any other company in the adult industry. 20 years ago, people like you attacked the gay community. Now you have moved on to other targets. Your hate is vile. SF Weekly - why do you print poorly researched articles like this, or employ trashy writers like Matt Smith. I would expect something classier and more intellectual from this newspaper. Perhaps you are getting desperate because won't be around much longer. Now I think its for the better.
Mark Trotter 04/22/2009 9:04:11 AM

This article is hogwash. Does this writer not realize that the BDSM community is larger than he gay community in San Francisco? Did he do any research whatsoever before he wrote this biased piece of hate? If you do google search on the author, you will find a long resume of dirt. This guy tries to stir up dirt for a living. Pathetic.
Anonymous 04/22/2009 8:30:57 AM

This is not a story; it is a series of sentences and quotes strung together. Aside from being a poor example of journalism there is an unfortunate cost to Matt Smith's adventure and that is affordable training to a company that provides its employees with an opportunity to acquire technical skills that are marketable outside the world of pornography. I wonder if Mr. Smith considered these costs before embarking upon his journey. Pornography and the 1st Amendment are no strangers; many Americans are unaware of how and how much the Adult Entertainment industry is involved in the preservation of our freedom of speech and expression. Perhaps exposing this would prove a more interesting story and one who's cost would be to the readers by way of challenging their assumptions and perceptions not to the subject(s) of the story. When one writes about exploitation perhaps it would behoove one to consider one's own role in the game first.
Anonymous 04/22/2009 8:20:21 AM

This isn't a story; it's a series of sentences and quotes strung together to give the illusion of a story. The cost for this poor excuse for journalism is affordable training to a company that provides it's employees with a great opportunity to acquire technical skills that are extremely marketable outside of the world of pornography. I wonder if Smith ever considered the cost of his investigation? Pornography and the 1st Amendment are no strangers; many Americans may not be aware of just how much the Adult Entertainment industry is involved in preserving freedom of speech and expression. Perhaps that in and of itself is a more interesting and challenging story; one who's cost is the challenge presented to its readers not the subjects of the story.
paperisdead 04/21/2009 9:54:05 PM

if there was any doubt: http://sfweekly.com/adIndex/subcategory/health-and-wellness-404 but i'm sure these are "professional" services.
Laila 04/21/2009 9:53:42 PM

This is a very disappointing article. It relies heavily on fear-mongering and distortion. Comparing the torture and killing of animals to adult, consensual activity? Suggesting that the bad economy is forcing women into porn? It's ridiculous and paints the performers as desperate victims. Kink.com isn't some fly-by-night, shady operation. They are professional and offer valuable, good quality jobs. As a San Franciscan, I have no problem with San Francisco companies (including Kink.com) training their employees using public subsidies and the author's attempt to make this appear to be inappropriate and abusive by trotting every tired cliche about adult entertainment shows lack of imagination at best. There are enough real issues out there that need exposure, concentrate on those instead of dragging out big, bad porn for another sanctimonious public flogging.
paperisdead 04/21/2009 9:52:04 PM

thank you again for directing a story for your own gain once again. i miss the days of strict reporting, but i guess that is what happens when an industry is sliding. where will the sfweekly be in a few months or in a year? i'm wondering if the state minds that the sfweekly allows ads for "massage/spa services" and the like? because aren't employees/writers for the sfweekly being trained in the same matter?
Lilla Katt 04/21/2009 8:59:07 PM

I find it offensive that those of us who choose to work for kink.com are characterized as financially desperate and victims of "economic coercion". If you, or any of the other writers out there who have said the exact same thing, bothered to talk to us you would not make such assumptions. I love my job, and I get paid to do things that I would be doing anyways for fun. Don't paint me as a victim - I'm not.
Shocked and Awed - not! 04/21/2009 7:34:29 PM

Wow. I would expect to read such article in some tiny Alabama newspaper, not the SF Weekly. I have to say, your transformation from a local alternative weekly to just another corporate mouthpiece is completed. If this were an actual well researched article instead of a propaganda piece pandering to some imaginary suburbian reader, you would have found out that the Kink.com has been widely lauded for its fantastic treatment of models and employees, as well as for its hard work on reaffirming the "safe, sane and consensual" credo of BDSM lifestyle. For example, each and every one of those "disgusting" videos you mention has a video preface and end segment showing the models talking about what they're about to do, discussing their experience afterwards, laughing and chatting as normal human beings they are, no matter how much you try to objectify them. You are the one doing victimization here, not the Kink.com. We who live in San Francisco are proud of our diversity, which includes BDSM lifestyle.

Write Your Comment

*indicates required fields. Please enable browser cookies before filling out this form. All reader comments are subject to our Terms of Use. By clicking Add Comment, you acknowledge that you have reviewed and agree to these Terms.

Comments may take a few minutes to process and appear on the site. Please do not click the "Add Comment" button again while your comment is being added.

*Your Name:
*Your E-mail:
Your City:
*Comment:
*Validation Code:

(The four characters are not case sensitive):

more by Matt Smith

No matter what enviros say, GreenFinanceSF was a bad policy
Jeff Adachi for mayor!
Path to Civility
Cyclists jumping lights and drivers blocking bike lanes need to get cited.
Reinventing the past
The head of the park patrol has some explaining to do.
Doyle Drive's costly pothole
Governor Schwarzenegger is willing to pour billions of public dollars into a schemeto benefit private investors.

Music Recommendations

User content provided by LikeMe.net + Village Voice

Slideshows»

San Francisco Classifieds

Special Reports

Web Extras

News Across the Nation

foam order.com

Whipped and Gagged

Is government spending obscene? Well, it paid to train S&M filmmakers.

Related Content

More About

Comments (111)

cool electronic gadgets 07/23/2010 10:45:35 PM

cosplay 07/22/2010 6:10:25 PM

daxue0001 07/10/2010 12:20:00 AM

ed hardy clothing 05/24/2010 12:52:16 AM

Nike basketall shoes 05/04/2010 2:23:35 AM

dasde 04/20/2010 3:21:54 AM

ss 04/20/2010 3:21:29 AM

nfst 04/09/2010 7:36:30 PM

Snssss 04/09/2010 7:35:43 PM

ed-hardy 03/21/2010 7:52:02 PM

JL 02/26/2010 5:50:19 PM

replica watches 07/20/2009 5:38:57 AM

replica watches 07/19/2009 2:20:29 AM

GreenQueen 07/16/2009 8:07:18 PM

cqy111 07/16/2009 4:29:06 AM

cqy1111 07/16/2009 4:28:00 AM

cqy1111 07/16/2009 4:24:38 AM

replica watches 07/14/2009 1:14:09 AM

Mark 05/19/2009 9:37:19 AM

Anja Flower 05/06/2009 1:54:26 PM

Disappointed-3192 05/05/2009 9:23:33 PM

Connor Young 05/05/2009 12:48:47 PM

Juniper 05/05/2009 4:52:23 AM

ilana rothman 05/02/2009 6:12:08 PM

RevBookburn 05/01/2009 8:58:54 PM

RevBookburn 05/01/2009 8:58:49 PM

RevBookburn 05/01/2009 8:58:46 PM

John 05/01/2009 8:08:44 AM

Poor Matt 04/30/2009 2:39:52 PM

fumattsmith 04/30/2009 3:50:44 AM

Dan Cooper 04/28/2009 3:11:58 PM

renee 04/28/2009 2:22:36 PM

Juniper 04/28/2009 2:15:39 PM

Cloud 04/27/2009 9:17:02 PM

butters 04/26/2009 8:08:47 AM

MercyX 04/25/2009 9:16:07 PM

Juniper 04/25/2009 7:02:48 PM

Juniper 04/25/2009 6:59:32 PM

Juniper 04/25/2009 6:53:54 PM

cassandra 04/25/2009 6:08:53 PM

unbelievable 04/25/2009 1:59:21 PM

knife 04/24/2009 11:58:49 PM

Rick 04/24/2009 7:32:58 PM

Matthew 04/24/2009 3:28:54 PM

Cherry Torn 04/24/2009 2:08:30 PM

Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 2:02:37 PM

Lee 04/24/2009 2:33:06 PM

Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 1:35:50 PM

SabrinaWolf 04/24/2009 11:37:10 AM

SabrinaWolf 04/24/2009 11:31:22 AM

Red 04/24/2009 11:07:12 AM

mike 04/24/2009 11:05:08 AM

Daniel Andrade 04/24/2009 11:00:06 AM

Juan Valdez 04/24/2009 10:59:53 AM

Juan Valdez 04/24/2009 10:57:49 AM

jenny 04/24/2009 10:56:14 AM

Sean A 04/24/2009 10:31:37 AM

Goofball Jones 04/24/2009 10:17:35 AM

Ed 04/24/2009 10:04:55 AM

Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 9:53:12 AM

modelpartner 04/24/2009 9:49:11 AM

Iamcuriousblue 04/24/2009 9:23:00 AM

MsRubyV 04/24/2009 9:00:34 AM

Al 04/24/2009 8:36:14 AM

Rissa 04/24/2009 8:16:40 AM

Johnny Cash 04/24/2009 4:45:09 AM

Josh Wolf 04/24/2009 1:23:52 AM

Kannibal King 04/24/2009 1:14:11 AM

Marco 04/23/2009 11:56:00 PM

Chase 04/23/2009 11:46:05 PM

Craig Stallone 04/23/2009 11:06:11 PM

FreeSpeech 04/23/2009 8:07:41 PM

mike 04/23/2009 6:24:16 PM

FreeSpeech 04/23/2009 5:39:04 PM

FreeSpeech 04/23/2009 5:24:07 PM